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Teenage Jesus
MEDIA:
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Studio – John Dickson:
If you haven’t already guessed it, we’re listening to a clip from the film Ten Things I Hate About You. It’s a late 1990s teen rom-com, and producer Kaley says you haven’t lived until you’ve seen it. This scene is typical of many, many teen films of the time. The introduction to American high school cliques. You know them already. They’re cheerleaders, the jocks, the IT geeks. The chess club, the glee club.
MEDIA:
To the left, we have the coffee kids. Very edgy, don’t make any sudden movements around them. These delusionals are your white rastas – uh, they’re big Marley fans, they think they’re black. Is Semi-political, but mostly – smoke a lot of weed? Yeah. These guys Wait, wait, let me guess. Cowboys? Yeah, but the closest they’ve come to a cow is McDonald’s.
Studio – John Dickson:
Teenagers. They strike fear into the minds of many a young parent. When you’ve got little ones, you just pretend they won’t ever eventually really turn out 13 year olds, or 15 year olds, or 18 year olds. The rumours are frightening. Now, I should say that my own teenage children have been and are awesome. Mostly. Anyway, in A Winter’s Tale, Shakespeare puts these words on the lips of a shepherd, bemoaning his lost sheep that were scared away by a couple of teenage boys.
“I would, there were no age between 16 and 3 and 20, or that youth would sleep out the rest, for there is nothing in the between.”
He goes on to say that what happens in the between is chasing girls, disrespecting elders, and lots of fighting. That’s the life of a teenage boy, according to Shakespeare. There’s not an awful lot of good. It’s mainly trouble. So, what about Jesus? He was once a teenage boy, right? Was he a rascal? Who did he hang out with? Was he considered the ancient equivalent of a nerd? A jock? A cool kid? Or something else? How on earth did he get through the normal teenage years of angst and still be the perfect incarnation of God? There’s a little bit of speculation about the teenage Jesus and I promise to cover all of the evidence for it. I’m John Dickson and this is Undeceptions.
Undeceptions theme
Producer Kaley:
After this again, he went through the village and a lad ran and knocked against his shoulder. Jesus was exasperated and said to him, You shall not go further on your way and the child immediately fell down and died.
Studio – John Dickson:
Yeah, that story isn’t from the Bible. It’s actually from a set of stories written by an unknown Christian author more than a century after Jesus. It’s in what’s called the Infancy Story of Thomas, not to be confused with the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, which we’ve talked about before. They’re two entirely different texts. It’s a late second-century work that purports to tell, quote, All the works of the childhood of our Lord Jesus Christ and his mighty deeds. In this particular story, which depicts the boy Jesus as a rather bad-tempered superhero, the parents of the child Jesus kills end up complaining to Jesus’ father, Joseph, and Jesus responds by striking the parents blind. Yikes. So was teenage Jesus, one of the bad boys.
Chris Forbes:
It’s basically stories about Jesus from about age three or four, up to about age 12, and it’s book ended by. The birth stories from Luke’s gospel and Jesus going to Jerusalem at the age of 12 in Luke’s gospel. So straight away we know it’s derivative on material in Luke. It’s later than Luke’s gospel.
John Dickson:
That’s Dr. Chris Forbes, who up until he retired recently, was senior lecturer in ancient history at Macquarie University in Sydney. He specializes in the Greco Roman history and religion. We spoke to Chris for the very popular episode in Season 3 on the formation of the Bible. That episode was called, Cannon Fodder. Go and check it out after this.
Chris Forbes:
And it has Jesus doing interesting things like bringing little clay birds to life and having them fly away, which is proof that it doesn’t matter that he was playing with clay on the Sabbath. It’s got him, well, killing people for bumping him in a rush. It’s got Jesus cursing a particularly difficult primary school teacher that he had, and then bringing him back to life, because he doesn’t kill anyone permanently, he only kills people temporarily. All of this is great fun and weird, and what you have to ask yourself is, what’s going on here at all?
Studio – John Dickson:
Other childhood miracles in the Infancy story of Thomas include Jesus raising a friend to life, uh, Jesus separated the water of a brook into little ponds, and he lengthened a piece of wood to help out his carpenter dad. All rather innocent, if fanciful.
Chris Forbes:
But the significant thing is, none of it seems to be actually located in a time and place which is at all historically plausible. When Jesus is taught the alphabet in school, it’s the Greek alphabet, not the Hebrew or the Aramaic alphabet. In other words, this is later fantasy. There’s nothing historical in this stuff at all. Oh, by the way, it’s also written a full century after any of the Gospels that we normally refer to.
Studio – John Dickson:
Okay, so no Superboy Jesus raising people from the dead or killing them on a whim. These are pious, or rather impious, fictions, inventions of people who were dissatisfied with the fact that the Gospels are silent, basically, on the childhood of Jesus. Personally, I’m astonished that anyone who claimed to be a follower of Jesus could have produced such stories. A person who relishes the thought of Jesus striking a child dead for inadvertently bumping into him has lost his moral compass, let alone his Christian compass. The Jesus who features here doesn’t at all sound like the one who grew up to insist if someone slaps you on one cheek. turn to them the other also. That’s from the Sermon on the Mount, by the way, which you can read in the Gospel of Matthew.
John Dickson:
Jesus homeland was Galilee. Uh, was it all dusty roads and deserts like we see in the movies?
Chris Forbes:
Deserts, no. Uh, and nor is it now, by the way. Galilee was and is a quite a nice lush area. And according to Josephus, it was agriculturally extremely rich and full of small farming villages.
Studio – John Dickson:
Josephus was a Jewish aristocrat and historian. We’ve come across him loads of times in Underceptions. And Galilee is the northernmost region of traditional Israel. In Roman times, the region had two main cities. Tiberias, right by the lake, and Sepphoris. Jesus grew up in Nazareth, a town about six or seven kilometres from Sepphoris.
Chris Forbes:
Judea to the south was much rockier and harsher in terms of its environment, much less water. Um, the Lake of Galilee actually adds an enormous amount to the economy as well as to the general amenity of the area. Dusty roads? Well, walking tracks, really, most of the time. Perhaps there were only half a dozen main roads in the whole province, uh, where you could risk a chariot, and there were certainly hardly any Roman roads. So, walking tracks more than roads. We tend to take roads for granted because we’ve got them everywhere, but tarred roads were unheard of.
John Dickson:
You say, um, they were farmers. What, what were some of the things that they were farming?
Chris Forbes:
Wheat, barley, olives, grapes, sta staples. So, that was just the agrarian basis of the economy. There was also manufacturing, there was a big fishing industry, and that included an export of fish to the rest of the Mediterranean market. So they were pickling fish from the Lake of Galilee and then shipping it out. Magdala, where Mary Magdalene came from, was actually a center of the fish pickling industry.
John Dickson:
Hmm. So people have this idea that it was all just subsistence. Hand to mouth, hardly anything left over to sell down the road. But you’re painting a different picture.
Chris Forbes:
I’m saying that there’s a process going on, particularly in Jesus lifetime under Herod Antipas, where what was predominantly a subsistence agriculture economy was developing into more of a market driven economy, more of a services economy, and more trade was going on, though mainly within Galilee. There wasn’t a lot of trade to the wider world, except for the fish.
Studio – John Dickson:
Herod Antipas was the ruler of Galilee in Jesus lifetime, almost exactly during Jesus lifetime really, uh, from 4 BC to AD 39, and of course Jesus lived from about 4 BC to around the year 30. Antipas was the son of Herod the Great, the one who appears in the Christmas story as the man who ordered the infants of Bethlehem to be killed. Anyway, Herod Antipas inherited Galilee when his dad died and had a very long tenure as its ruler on behalf of Rome, of course. It was Antipas who beheaded John the Baptist, the one who baptized Jesus at the beginning of his ministry. And we have that story of the beheading of the Baptist from both the Gospels and from the non-Christian Josephus.
John Dickson:
How politically stable was Galilee? And I guess, you know, Judea as well.
Chris Forbes:
It went up and down. When Herod the Great died in 4 BC, slightly after the birth of Jesus, there were revolts. And those revolts included Sepphoris itself being destroyed by a Roman army. Sepphoris was, by the way, the capital of the region. And it’s almost visible from the ridge above Nazareth. You can just go over the ridge at Nazareth and look down the hills down towards the lake.
John Dickson:
So the Romans come and they destroy Sepphoris. Jesus will have grown up, you know, knowing that, right? Everyone in the region knew, hey, you don’t mess with the Romans, right? Because there’s this great big monument or former monument to, uh, Roman power. Yes.
Chris Forbes:
Sepphoris had been destroyed and was in the process of being rebuilt during Jesus teenage years. There were another series of revolts in 6 AD when Judea into the south was turned into a Roman province. And a number of Jewish people clearly objected to that violently because it involved paying taxes directly to the Romans.
John Dickson:
One of them was a Galilean. Am I right?
Chris Forbes:
Judas the Galilean was one of the leaders of what was probably a tax revolt against Roman taxes. Um, but, apart from those two nasty spots, we’re told that things were basically pretty quiet, partly because Herod Antipas was a reasonably canny ruler and didn’t get on the wrong side of his subject too badly, and partly because difficulties come and go. Tacitus, the Roman historian, barely mentions the area. And when he does, all he says is, “Under Tiberius it was all quiet”. Which isn’t a lot to say, but it’s probably significant that he saw it that way. So, how stable was it? Up and down. But in Jesus lifetime, more stable than not.
MEDIA:
As a society, we have got a confusing relationship with the idea of rebels and rebellion.
John Dickson:
That’s Dr. Justin Coulson, who spoke at the TEDx conference in Melbourne in 2017. He was giving advice to parents on how to raise rebel children, and why they might really want to.
MEDIA:
So close to home. If we have a rebel sitting in front of us in our living room, I think it’s probably fair to say that we struggle. We find it challenging. And yet we love stories about rebels. We love their conviction. We love their courage. We love how they’re so willing to stand firm and strong and steadfast in the face of so much opposition. You know, the whole world can be against them. Their communities can turn against them. Their friends can desert them. Even families can turn against these rebels. And yet they stand firm, unflinching, unmoving, and they do incredible things. I think that we love the idea of rebels so much because sometimes we know the end from the beginning. We know how it turns out, and so we know we can love them because of what they did. Going through it might have been different.
Studio – John Dickson:
I wonder what it was like for Mary and Joseph to raise Jesus. We certainly know that Jesus was a precocious child. More about that later. And when his parents lost him one day and then found him, he said, “Why were you searching for me? Didn’t you know I had to be in my father’s house”? As a parent, I don’t know how I’d respond to that.
John Dickson:
Let’s turn to Jesus then. Um, He seems to have had a large family. Uh, mum, dad, as well as brothers and sisters. Uh, what’s the evidence for that?
Chris Forbes:
Well, the evidence is in the Gospels themselves, where we’re told on the couple of occasions where Jesus family come out to find out what on earth he thinks he’s doing. Uh, on one occasion we’re told, Your mother and your brothers are here. And Jesus says, Ah, but who are really my mother and my brothers? In other words, family isn’t the only issue here, you know. The other case is where he goes back to Nazareth, to his hometown, and is going to speak in the synagogue. And we’re told that people basically said, “Who does he think he is? We know who he comes from. We know his brothers”. Then they give their three names of three of the brothers … “and his sisters live here, too”. This gives, um, people from a Catholic background hiccups, because if Mary is to be perpetually a virgin, then it’s pretty clear that Jesus can’t have brothers and sisters. And so you can argue either that it’s a loose use of the word that means cousins, or it means half brothers and half sisters – Joseph’s kids by another, another wife, which is, I think, the way that the Orthodox tend to take it. But scholarship is pretty well agreed that it actually means brothers and sisters. And if you want to think otherwise, you’re pushing it uphill.
John Dickson:
Yeah. So that’s a pretty large family. So he had four brothers, at least two sisters, because they’re just mentioned as plural, right? Is that a pretty normal Galilean family, so far as we know?
Chris Forbes: We don’t know. But in any pre-industrial society families tend to be large unless the mother dies early because there’s no reliable form of contraception. And you want a large family because you know that quite a few children will die in childhood. And you want to have them able to grow up and work in the family business.
John Dickson:
Yeah, and sometimes the parents die. Some people have said Joseph must have died, uh, you know, younger, because he doesn’t feature in the Gospels. What, do we know anything about, uh, Jesus father?
Chris Forbes:
Nope. After Luke chapter 3, when he goes with Jesus to Jerusalem at the age of, when Jesus is about 12, he simply disappears from historical documents. We know nothing about what happened. He may have been older than Mary. It would have been normal for the man to be older than his wife, but we just don’t know.
John Dickson:
One thing we probably do know is that Joseph was a carpenter, and therefore, uh, Jesus will have grown up, uh, learning some of that craft. Can you tell me about a carpenter? Do they just make nice wooden cabinets, or something else?
Chris Forbes:
Skillful ones would make nice wooden cabinets. The term in Greek is tekton, and a tekton is a craftsman who mainly works in wood, and when they work in teams, they’re run by an architecton, which is where we get the word architect from. An architect is somebody who manages a team of wood craftsmen. They do general purpose woodwork. They do farm implements, like yokes for oxen. They do furniture. They do small scale building. They’re all purpose chippies.
John Dickson:
So does this make Jesus, uh, I’m being anachronistic here, working class, uh, or is he middle class or, or are these categories just useless to us?
Chris Forbes:
I don’t think they’re terribly useful. He’s not a landowner, so that puts him among the working poor, um, but he’s a skilled craftsman. That gives him opportunities. So, working class, but not desperately poor, certainly not a day labourer. He’d be somebody who would get jobs on a regular basis.
John Dickson:
But what work would there be? Didn’t he just hang out in little villages, where everyone could build their own doorpost? Are you saying there were places for him to go and travel and work?
Chris Forbes:
One of the most fascinating puzzles, which I am going to speculate about, is that in Jesus childhood, all the accounts place him in Nazareth, which is a tiny little place, probably only a few hundred inhabitants. But by the time he becomes a public figure, he’s down by the lake in places like Capernaum. And one of the questions that just has to be asked is, why did he move? And I think the answer is probably, and now I am speculating, employment opportunities. Because starting when Herod Antipas took over Galilee, He began the rebuilding of Seferas, which was a major project. And then about 19 or so AD, when Seferas was rebuilt, he started building Tiberias overlooking the lake. So there was a lot of construction work, a lot of work for tektones.
John Dickson:
Yeah, so he would have had good work as a teenager, uh, up into his early 20s, and then more work down in Tiberias if he indeed wanted to pursue that work in his early 20s.
Chris Forbes:
Now, we don’t know for sure that he did, but it seems entirely plausible that that’s why he moved down near Capernaum.
John Dickson:
Yeah, so it may have been for work, others, others have speculated, um, I’ll just throw this at you for, you know, give me your opinion, that it was to get a little further, uh, away from, um, Herod Antipas, um, since the border of Antipas region was only, you know, sort of 10 kilometers from Capernaum. Do you give that any stock, that he, he could tell that there was a growing angst about Antipas?
Chris Forbes:
I don’t know that we know that. Um, the only time that we know. That Jesus is concerned about what Herod Antipas thinks is when Herod Antipas is beginning to get really interested in Jesus during his public career. So I think that’s just guesswork really.
John Dickson:
Although Antipas was responsible for killing Jesus mentor, if you don’t mind me saying, John the Baptist was his mentor. That’s what he was, yes. Yeah, and so already Jesus would have had an interesting view of Antipas I imagine.
Chris Forbes:
That would be at the beginning of Jesus public career rather than earlier.
Studio – John Dickson:
Jesus really launched his ministry up in Galilee, the northern region of traditional Israel. And some have argued that this must indicate he was influenced not so much by Jewish culture, which was more a southern phenomenon, they say, but by pagan or Gentile culture. After all, even an Old Testament biblical text calls the region Galilee of the Gentiles.
Chris Forbes:
I don’t give it a lot of credit. The famous passage in Isaiah chapter 9 verse 1 that talks about Galilee of the nations, which we tend to translate the Gentiles, was written about 700 years before Jesus lifetime, and a lot had happened since then. The Assyrian and Babylonian conquests had largely depopulated Galilee, and it was resettled in the first century BC by settlers from Judea. From then on, it was profoundly Jewish. The other reason, and it’s an equally bad reason, though in a different way, is that, uh, in the middle of the, uh, 20th century, a number of German scholars tried to argue that Galilee wasn’t Jewish. And Jesus wasn’t Jewish. He was actually Aryan. Like any proper religious leader ought to be. But that was simply Nazi ideology gone mad. Um, the evidence makes it very clear that Galilee was ethnically and linguistically Jewish. There are hardly any pork bones found. People weren’t eating pig. There were lots of ceremonial baths for Jewish purification rituals. They preferred stone vessels, which are more impermeable, and therefore less likely to contract Jewish concepts of impurity. There are hardly any Greek inscriptions, even in the big towns and cities. And, um, interestingly, when Herod Antipas starts minting coins, he’s very, very careful not to put any human images on them. In other words, he’s carefully taking note of Jewish concerns about such things. No, Galilee was Jewish.
Studio – John Dickson:
Just as there have been questions about whether Jesus ideas were really of pagan origin rather than Jewish, so too there have been suggestions that Jesus was perhaps influenced by other religions in his teaching. Did Jesus travel to the other side of the ancient world to learn from Hinduism and Buddhism? Seriously, that’s a theory. More after the break.
Break
MEDIA:
India, a land of contrast and mystery, with a spiritual heritage that dates back before the dawn of recorded history. A country where 600 million people are struggling to enter the 20th century. From the delicate beauty of the Taj Mahal, to the harsh realities of the streets of Calcutta, India, overwhelms the senses. Spiritual teachings of India’s numerous religions echo past glories of her golden age, a highly advanced civilization with mankind’s oldest scriptures came into being.
Studio – John Dickson:
We’re listening to a clip from the 1977 documentary, The Lost Years of Jesus, directed by Richard Bach.
Media:
Here in this land of spiritual receptivity, the birthplace of Rama, Krishna and Buddha, the lives of saints and holy men are revered and preserved in ancient texts and documents. In the archives of an ancient Tibetan monastery, there are said to be records originally written in India in the ancient Pali language, and later translated into Tibetan, dealing with the life of an extraordinary saint, known to the Buddhists as Issa. The life story of Saint Issa closely resembles the life of Jesus Christ, revealing what may well be, the lost years of Jesus,
Studio – John Dickson:
The story of Jesus pilgrimage to the east originates with the Russian journalist, Nicholas Notovitch, who in 1894 claimed to have found a document in a Buddhist monastery, which described how Jesus had journeyed from Galilee all the way to India to learn Hinduism and Buddhism, and then to return to Israel to preach this newfound wisdom.
John Dickson:
There’s a popular rumor that he traveled perhaps as far as Nepal, uh, where he learnt all those friendly bits of his teaching, you know, to love people and so on. Um, and then came back, um, and that’s how he brought this world changing message, because he’d learnt Buddhism or something like that. Is there anything plausible about that idea? I mean, Nepal is only 5, 000 km away, right?
Chris Forbes:
Which isn’t far by plane.
John Dickson:
Alexander the Great almost got that far.
Chris Forbes:
Hmm. Let’s say it’s not totally impossible, it’s just highly unlikely. If Jesus did go that far, he travelled further than any other first century person we know of. Even the sea route to India was relatively recent in his lifetime and that was only the sea route across the Persian Gulf and to the coast of India. It doesn’t include going to Nepal. So it’s not totally impossible, but it just doesn’t seem likely. Jesus doesn’t seem like a cosmopolitan person. It doesn’t seem likely that he even visited Gentile areas north of Galilee very often. He’s parochially Jewish, and we know that Buddhist ideas might have travelled west in a derivative form. There’s some evidence that some Greek philosophers have come across one or two Buddhist ideas. But if they did these ideas weren’t well known, and Greek philosophers weren’t well known in Galilee anyway. What we have to say simply though is, when you look at Jesus ideas, they look thoroughly Jewish and particularly Galilean. The coming of the Kingdom of God isn’t a very Buddhist idea. And yet it’s the central idea of Jesus whole public ministry. So I think the idea that he travelled to Nepal is a joyous piece of fantasy, but not to be taken terribly seriously.
Studio – John Dickson:
This was a very cool attempt at East West fusion, but the whole thing was a hoax. Shortly after these claims emerged, the head abbot of the very monastery Notovitch had claimed to have visited issued a public statement that no Russian gentleman had ever visited the community in living memory, and no such document ever existed. Despite all this, the story of Jesus Eastern pilgrimage still makes its way into contemporary works. It’s found in a book by actress Shirley MacLaine, that TV documentary titled The Lost Years of Jesus that we just heard from, and countless news articles from travel diaries purporting to follow in Jesus’ footsteps in India, which you can read in the show notes. Let’s press pause. I’ve got a five minute Jesus for you. There is no evidence, and virtually no historical possibility, that Jesus travelled to India, Nepal, or Tibet. And the idea that he learnt eastern philosophy there, Hinduism or Buddhism, is problematic on other grounds. First, there are the obvious and fundamental contradictions between the teachings of Hinduism and Buddhism, and what Jesus ended up teaching. Central to Hinduism is the belief that our soul is trapped in a cycle of reincarnations in this world until we can escape this physical creation and merge with the impersonal life principle of the universe known as Brahman. By contrast, Jesus clearly taught that we have just one existence in this world in which we’re obliged to worship a personal creator God who at the climax of history will raise the dead bodily and renew the physical cosmos. That ain’t Hinduism. The differences with Buddhism are equally real. The Buddha taught that there is no continuing self, no soul of any kind. Central to the Buddha’s philosophy is the insistence that existence is basically illusory. The goal of life, therefore, isn’t to merge with Brahman or worship God, not even to be reincarnated or resurrected. It is to remove all desire for self. Only then can the Buddhist be liberated from this fleeting, changing existence and enter into Nirvana, the unbinding of all physical, mental, and spiritual. What Jesus taught about our eternal existence in God’s coming kingdom would have been anathema to the Buddha. Now Jesus would have agreed with at least four of the five basic commandments of Buddhism. These are the Pancasillas. So the first four are refrain from taking life. Refrain from stealing, refrain from sexual immorality and refrain from lying. Like most Jews of the day, Jesus would’ve accepted this. Famously he didn’t accept the fifth Buddhist commandment to refrain from alcohol. So there are a few ethical similarities, but I can’t see any major theoretical agreements between the Buddha. Not on the topic of God, or suffering, or the afterlife, or pretty much anything else. My point is that if Jesus did travel to the East, he obviously returned to Galilee having rejected pretty much everything he learnt there. And there’s an almost humorous problem with the story of Nicholas Notovitch, that Jesus went to Tibet to learn Buddhism. Buddhism didn’t reach Tibet until the time of King Songsten Gampo in the 600s AD. Any earlier than that and it wouldn’t have been Buddhism that the intrepid Jesus learnt, it would have been the traditions of Bon, the animistic and shamanistic indigenous religion of Tibet. The whole thing is nuts. You can press play now.
Studio – John Dickson:
So if Jesus wasn’t educated in Nepal, where was he educated? Was he educated at all?
John Dickson:
Do we have any hints of Jesus level of education?
Chris Forbes:
Not a lot. But I think level of education is the right way to think about it, rather than just asking about literacy. Jesus level of education would depend on three factors, really. It would depend on wealth. It would depend on proximity to somewhere that had books. And it would depend on his personal educational ambitions. Now, Jesus family wasn’t, as far as we can tell, well off in any strong sense. And Nazareth is pretty much too small to have a public library. So, wealth and access, not a lot. I mean, we don’t really even know whether the synagogue in Galilee had multiple copies of Scripture, or of the whole of the Hebrew Bible. We just don’t know. But clearly, Jesus was keen for an education. He was profoundly interested in Jewish culture and religious ideas. And I think his level of education would have depended on whether Dad was willing to let him push that barrow and whether there were local people who could help him. It’s possible, of course, to be illiterate and highly knowledgeable, which we tend to forget, but the ancient culture was far more an oral culture than we’re used to thinking about. And it seems to me that that’s probably where Jesus fits in. He was probably functionally literate, as in, could sign his name, could read the details of a government decree, but he was almost certainly not formally educated in any strong sense. And this comes up nicely in John’s Gospel, where Jesus starts teaching in the temple in Jerusalem. And people say, “what’s going on here? This man sounds like he’s educated, but we know he can’t be”. So I think Jesus falls in that halfway place where people know he wasn’t properly formally educated, but gee, sounds like he could have been.
MEDIA:
What’s the matter? Honey? I have a terrible feeling. About what? That we didn’t do something. Ah, now you feel that way because we left in such a hurry. We took care of everything. Believe me, we did. Did I turn off the coffee? No. I did. Did you lock up? Yeah. Did you close the garage? That’s it. I forgot to close the garage, that’s it. No, that’s not it. What else could we be forgetting? Kevin!
Studio – John Dickson:
That’s a clip from the movie Home Alone, when the parents of eight year old Kevin, played by Macaulay Culkin, realise they’ve left their son behind while they’ve nicked off to an exotic vacation. The one story from Jesus boyhood that has survived, tucked away in the Gospel of Luke. The passage tells how Jesus family joined the annual pilgrimage to Jerusalem for the great Passover festival. That’s the most holy celebration of Israel’s deliverance from Egypt, centuries earlier. As the tour party began to return home, up in Galilee, after the week long festivities, Mary and Joseph realize that their 12 year old is missing. Here’s Producer Kaley.
Producer Kaley:
Thinking he was in their company, they travelled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. When they didn’t find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them, and asking them questions. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you. Why were you searching for me? He asked. Didn’t you know I had to be in my father’s house? But they did not understand what he was saying to them. Then he went down to Nazareth with them, and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. Luke chapter 2, verses 44-51.
Studio – John Dickson:
The passage is striking in both its brevity and understatement. No dazzling superhero appears here. But it raises lots of questions too. How could Mary and Joseph have started out for Galilee without checking that their eldest son was with them? How could they have travelled a whole day without noticing that he was missing? And where did the boy Jesus sleep during those few nights in Jerusalem? The questions lose some of their force when we try to think in ancient terms rather than modern. A family of nine, yes, Jesus had four brothers and at least two sisters, travelling with hundreds of other pilgrim relatives and friends from the same district, could be forgiven for assuming that their eldest was somewhere in their company. David Flusser, the great Jewish professor of history and religion from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, notes that, quote, “In those days, a boy of 12 could be regarded as a grow up”. In Flusi’s judgement, the story is plausible. Given the extraordinary impact of Jesus’ later teaching, a story about his insightful questions as a 12-year-old is not at all unbelievable. And frankly, It’s to the Gospel writer’s credit that they showed remarkable restraint in treating these missing years of Jesus. They refused to add exotic tales of boyhood powers or travels to distant lands. All we have is a single story about Jesus’ early precociousness.
John Dickson:
So why don’t the four earlier Gospels tell us anything about Jesus’ youth? Is this silence suspicious?
Chris Forbes:
I don’t think so. What the four Gospels are clearly interested in is Jesus’ public career and public message. What he was on about. And that’s the story they want to tell. And they only include material from his childhood where it sets that up. No, I don’t find that suspicious at all. In fact, I find the idea that people would want to know about Jesus’ childhood the bit that makes me suspicious.
Studio – John Dickson:
The reality is, like so many other great figures of antiquity, whose glory years are pretty much all we know of them – Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, just to name two – the Jesus we reliably know about is the adult Jesus. There are missing years, for sure, but there is nothing mysterious about them. Sorry about that.
Undeceptions theme

Why don’t we know anything about the teenage Jesus?
Jesus was once a teenage boy, right? Was he a rascal? Who did he hang out with? Was he considered the ancient equivalent of a jock, a cool kid, a nerd, or something else?
And how on earth did he get through the normal teenage years of angst and still be … the perfect incarnation of God?
There’s a bit of speculation about teenage Jesus. And we promise to cover all the evidence for it in this episode.
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- This episode is brought to you by Zondervan’s new Bible commentary on the Gospel of Mark
- More about 10 Things I Hate About You, which you heard at the beginning of this episode.
- Check out the Infancy of Thomas, an apocryphal document that purports to narrate episodes from Jesus’ youth from the age of five up until his twelfth year.
- Listen to Canon Fodder, from Season 3 of Undeceptions, which also features Dr Forbes. It’s all about how the Bible was put together and why which books were chosen as scripture and some books weren’t.
- Here’s that TedTalk on raising rebels. Good luck to listeners attempting to do so!
- The Lost Years of Jesus documentary.
- The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ by Nicolas Notovitch (Yeah, we’re not suggesting your rush out and get this one!)
- Here’s a travel diary to follow if you want to try to “walk in the steps of Jesus” in Nepal, even if he didn’t actually go there! Articles like these just keep popping up.
- Check out this talk that John Dickson gave on the difference between the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of Buddhism or Hinduism.
- Here’s the one passage in the gospels that talks about Jesus as a teen… Luke 2:42-51.
- More on David Flusser, the great Jewish Professor of History and Religion from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
Meet our guest

Dr Chris Forbes is an Associate Senior Lecturer in Ancient History. His fields of research and teaching focus on New Testament history, Alexander the Great and Hellenistic history, Graeco-Roman History of Ideas and the intersection of early Christianity and Graeco-Roman culture.
His current research is in the field of the relationship between religion and philosophy in Graeco-Roman thought. He gained his BA (Hons I) Dip.Ed. in Ancient History at Macquarie in 1978, and his PhD in Ancient History in 1987. He taught at Macquarie in various positions since 1985, full time since 1987, and was appointed Senior Lecturer in 2001.
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